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Love triangle

While DCB takes a short “my time is my own” break from blogging, FDDC will feature guest writers. Today, RCR weighs in.

Strong Morals writes,

There are two guys — let’s call them Guy 1 and Guy 2 (yes, I am that creative). I met Guy 1 about 6 months ago through a mutual friend. One thing led to another and we ended up having a sexual relationship for several months. Neither one of us wanted a real relationship with the other for a variety of reasons, so it was the perfect situation for me (I was just coming off of a break up). The last time we were together was in Feburary.

In March, I started seeing Guy 2. We’ve known each other for quite some time, although not well. We’ve been seeing each other intermittently since March (not as often as I’d like), but we haven’t slept together yet. I’ve asked him about this, and he says he’s not ready for the seriousness of a sexual relationship. We’ve spent a couple nights together, and I’ve thought about just attacking him but I’ve decided against it. I don’t know if there’s some other problem there. I know he was raised quite Catholic, but even so.

Meanwhile, Guy 1 came back on the scene a few weeks ago and he’s made it quite clear that he’d like to pick up where we left off. We’re in touch fairly frequently, but our schedules have not clicked yet. I’m a one man kind of woman, so if I was sleeping with Guy 2 I would not even entertain the idea of sleeping with Guy 1 again. However, I am becoming very frustrated by Guy 2’s refusal to sleep with me, so I am seriously thinking about it.

You’re probably wondering what the problem is. Well, Guy 1 and Guy 2 know each other — have known each other for 15 years. And Guy 2 was Guy 1’s boss for many years, and is going to become his boss again in the near future. I am fairly certain that they do not know about each other with respect to me. Guy 1 would not care about my relationship with Guy 2, might even find it amusing. Guy 2 would probably flip out even to know that I had a previous relationship with Guy 1, much less a current one (he has shown some signs of jealousy and possesiveness with me). I really like Guy 2 and would hope that this could really become something, although maybe it won’t. So would sleeping with Guy 1 be a huge mistake? Or do I bascially get to do what I want since I’m not getting any from Guy 2?

RCR says,

Ethically speaking, I think your infrequent dating and lack of sexual relationship preclude any kind of implied exclusivity with Guy 2 . So unless you’ve had the DTR talk, and it sounds like you haven’t, you could sleep with Guy 1 not violate any relationship rules. Pragmatically speaking, however, that’s not going to matter to Guy 2 if he finds out. The fact that he’s possessive or jealous and you’re not even sleeping together has drama written all over it. In making your decision, you’ll need to weigh the importance of the relationship with Guy 2 and the risk of him finding out about you and Guy 1.

More importantly, though, I think you should address the problems with Guy 2. Find out why it’s not moving forward - it sounds like he may have some issues. It’s okay to say “Hey, we need to talk about this whole not screwing thing.” I’m sure he’d rather talk about your discontent than find out you’ve been banging other guys. And if he doesn’t, dump him and kick it with Guy 1. Avoid the drama. At least you’ll be getting laid.

Kathryn says,

I’m having trouble figuring out what you want, exactly, and from whom you want it (as in, you show no preference for Guy 1 or 2). Are you just looking for the guy who’ll give you the sex on the regular? Or are you looking for a relationship that includes more than just sex? And with which one of these guys? You say that you’d be interested in more with both of them. Hard to tell. That said…

Would you feel comfortable asking Guy 1 if starting up again means he’s interested in more than a strictly physical relationship? You guys have enough history that I think it’s a fair question. You can even tell him you’ve been dating someone else, but enjoyed the time you spent with him, and would consider seeing him again if it’s for something more than a hook-up. If he isn’t interested in more, you know up front and won’t waste any more time on him.

As for Guy 2, I’m glad you’ve asked him about his choice not to have sex with you, at least not yet, but how much did you guys really talk about it? If you continue to stay over, and he continues not to want to have sex when you are ready and willing and clearly showing him that’s the case, then you have every right to continue that conversation. Ask him why he’s waiting, if uncertainty about where you guys are heading has anything to do with it, etc. See what he says. Tell him someone else asked you out, and you’re considering going, but wanted to talk to him about where things are going with you.

The bottom line in all of this: decide what you want and from whom you want it, then TALK to these guys. It’s the only way you’ll get the answer to this question.

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12 Comments »

Let’s see, you’ve been dating Guy two for uh… march, april, may, june, july … call it 4 months, and he’s not ready for a sexual relationship. Are you sure you’re dating? I like to take things slow myself, but this is going above and beyond. He’s either way too Catholic, gay, not into you, or has no idea how to start.
I’m not a fan of the ultimatum, but you seem to be approaching a “fuck me or I’m leaving” moment. This can either be a freakout of massive proportions which leads him to think you were a crazy chick in disguise or it can be a calm but uncomfortable discussion which may actually do some good. But you’re gonna have to bring it up because he won’t.
If he’s not a virgin it could have been so long that he might as well be. Be prepared to take him by the hand, or whatever’s handy, the first time and remind him how it’s done.

It’s pretty clear you wouldn’t be considering guy 1 if guy 2 were willing to put out. So talk it out with guy 2. Be prepared to have to give him up.

Comment by Ibid on 07/18/06.



Guy 2 is not sleeping with you because he has an STD. Put 100 bucks on it. If he is chilling with you, sleeping in your bed, making out with you and not sleeping with you because he wants to “wait.”

He has an STD.

Comment by Anonymous on 07/18/06.



“Strong Morals” is very much a misnomer for this post. The fact is the OP doesn’t have a clue why G2 is holding out. Dating a guy almost exclusively for 4 months and you’re clueless as to his motivations? Don’t have the slightest inkling as to what would cause him to turn down the pink after 4 months when many guys are more than willing to give it up after 4 hours?

If G2’s reasoning is indeed because of moral reasons, do you really think the best way to handle the situations is to go and get your jollies from G1 only to come back to the more frigid G2… something that is so important to G2?

On the flip side… G2 is a fucking moron too for not letting you know why he is where he is. If it is for religious reasons, you would know because people that committed to their faith have no problem telling you about it.

That you know *that* little about a person, sounds like 4 months of wasted time to me.

Comment by Thornsbro on 07/18/06.



If you are cute enough to get these two guys into you, you are cute enough to get another guy who won’t have this whole friendship/professional relationship/love triangle drama bs. Go to bars or coffee shops or dances (swing, salsa) that have the types of guys you like and make yourself approachable. Shouldn’t take long to produce the desired result.

Comment by Chaco on 07/18/06.



I’d add that sister here sounds like she is way more into the drama than the relationship. Why does she “really like” the no-sex guy? Is it the challenge, the love triangle, his implicit disinterest in her sexually? All of these are reasons she should move on for both her and his sake.

Comment by V on 07/18/06.



I agree with both of you, that she doesn’t seem to know what she want, and Guy 1 sounds like more trouble than he’s worth. If she’s down with casual sex but the guy isn’t, it isn’t going to be a good fit anyway.

Comment by Pagan Marbury on 07/18/06.



I think it’s just a case of wanting what you can’t have. Her EGO won’t let her leave it alone.

Comment by Jada on 07/18/06.



Both sound kinda assy to me. I agree w/Chaco….

Comment by TMCL on 07/18/06.



Guy #1 and Guy #2 both suck. Find a Guy #3.

Comment by DC Rookie on 07/18/06.



You have the opposite of “strong morals”. You seem like someone with very little self-respect or integrity. Where do your “strong morals” come in? Jumping into bed with a guy soon after meeting him, having casual sex, wanting to “attack” this other guy you’ve been seeing occasionally. How classy. And you also risk complicating a future work relationship between these two who you claim to like. If you have any morals at all, you’ll be honest with Guy 2 about everything.

Comment by Jack on 07/18/06.



I meant Guy 2 was more trouble than he’s worth

Comment by Pagan Marbury on 07/18/06.



Does anyone think that some guys hold off on sex so they don’t have to be subject to the guilt afterwards if they end up dumping her quickly afterward? I feel like older guys do this b/c they have had to deal with guilt so many times and it’s not worth the headache.. maybe he is still deciding on whether he’s really into her? He may be having sex with someone else and doesn’t need it that bad?

Comment by Madonna on 07/19/06.



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