First Date DC

“but seriously, when should i call?”



Seriously, when do I bang?

Today’s guest poster is The Home Improvement Ninja, whose quirky long-windedness often blows us away…

Anonymous writes,

I hope you can help me with something I have been wondering about lately: Do most guys in their late 20s and early 30s consider a girl to have less girlfriend or long-term relationship potential if she hooks up with them on the first date?

I know there is a lot of variation among guys - many guys don’t want something that can be had too easily - but many guys don’t like a girl to make them wait too long either. And I sometimes hear about successful couples who started out as hook-ups.

I’m ideally looking for a long-term, exclusive relationship (I am 29) but honestly I’m also really horny lately and getting more male attention than previously since I have lost some weight and improved my overall appearance. I do have much to offer other than my looks of course, and many guys say they find me sweet, smart, fun, and interesting to talk to. I also like the advantage of seeing how a guy is in bed before becoming exclusive with him and finding out that he is terrible in the sack.

So are there some basic guidelines I can follow to increase my chances of turning a hook-up that I enjoyed into something more? I know a lot of people give vague advice like “don’t try to rush the relationship” and “don’t pressure the guy into a relationship” but how can you not rush the relationship after you’ve already hooked up? Is wanting the guy to call more than once or twice a
week expecting too much? How can I slow down my rate of emotional attachment to someone I’m seeing and with whome I’m physical early on?

Yes, I am kind of clueless about this, but is it possible to have fun and enjoy my sexuality while getting to know someone but not waste time going down a dead-end road with, possibly getting hurt, and giving myself a reputation for being a slut?

Home Improvement Ninja says,

Well, in typical lawyer fashion I will say that the answer to your question is “it depends”. First, if you’re the girl I met in the Salsa club last week, then yes, it’s okay to sleep with someone right away. Bring your sorority sister too, I won’t mind. If you’re not her, then read on.

You seem to be conflicted about being in a relationship with someone and being able to sleep with them right away. One doesn’t preclude the other. If you sleep with everyone on the first date because you are horny or lonely then, yes, people will think you are slutty. Why you would care what other people think is beyond me, but there it is. But if you are really looking for a relationship and you feel some sort of connection with the other person, then I don’t see anything wrong with sleeping with them. If you sleep with them just because you just reaaaaally need to get your rocks off or are desperate to get them to like you enough to call you back, then they will pick up on that and probably not call you back.

I may be reading too much into this, but I noticed you mentioned that you had lost weight recently. If I had to guess, I think that even though you are getting more attention lately, you still have those big-girl self esteem issues and aren’t comfortable enough in your new looks yet to think that people would want you for something other than a one-night stand. Your “How can I slow down my rate of emotional attachment to someone I’m seeing and with whom I’m physical early on” statement makes me think that you had problems in the past with sleeping with someone, getting attached, and then being hurt when you found out that they didn’t want anything other than sex. Maybe your previous low self esteem made you attractive to the type of losers who prey on insecure women so they can brag to their repressed-homosexual frat buddies about the notches on their belt and prove that they are real men. Let’s face it, those Sigma Alpha Epsilon rush meetings are like a deleted scene from the Brokeback Mountain director’s cut. Jus’ sayin.

I think if the guy likes you, then he will be happy that you are forming some kind of emotional attachment and are calling him up to talk to him. Guys don’t like it when girls that we are not really into call too much. But we dig it if it’s someone we like. So don’t go into it with some kind of roadmap about you are supposed to respond after the fist date versus the Xth date. Just treat it as what it is: you having fun and getting to know the other person.

Now about your horniness: I am guessing that you are really horny lately (after the weight loss) because prior to your new body, you didn’t see yourself as sexy, so you didn’t feel sexual. Now you look better so you feel more like a sexual person and those feelings are taking some getting used to. A practical suggestion for handling your horniness: get a vibrator. Kathryn can probably help you out here more than I can. But my guess is that since we now have plasma TVs and micro chips, that vibrator technology has advanced lately too. Maybe they have solar powered ones with titanium shells (shafts?) and plutonium isotope batteries. I don’t know. But that should take the edge off. If you’ve seen Something About Mary, you’ll know that guys do some, errrrr “preventive maintenance” before a big date so that we don’t end up humping the girl’s leg at a restaurant. Jus’ sayin’.

Kathryn says,

Um, I can NOT help with the vibrator question. (But I do think it’s a good idea.)

This really is the age-old dilemma, isn’t it? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, with a big old helping of the male/female double standard on the side.

Here’s my question to you: why do you have to have actual sexual intercourse with everyone? Can’t you tell whether a guy would be good in bed through kissing, touching, and those bases that come before home? There’s so much to do between first kiss and first time having sex. You can enjoy it all at your leisure as you get to know the person, and decide whether or not you’d be interested in them (and whether they’re interested in more than just sex with you).

That said, yes, most guys are going to wonder about you if you sleep with them right away. Though they wouldn’t turn you down, they would wonder how many other guys you’ve jumped into bed with so quickly. Even if it’s true, they generally don’t believe it when women say “I never do this.” So if you are moved to give into your passion one night, do so understanding you may never hear from the guy again. Be sure you still want to do it, even if that’s the last you hear of him. If you see him again, well, it’s a nice surprise and a hot start to a hot fling or maybe even relationship.

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12 Comments »

Instead of resorting to manipulation and or mind games.. why not just do what you are most comfortable with and let the chips fall where they may. If things work out the way you want them to then that’s a bonus. If things don’t work out then chalk it up as experience.

Comment by Jada on 07/21/06.



I know from experience that it can be both fun and confusing to come out of an ugly/awkward duckling phase and suddenly realize that you’re attractive. Enjoy it, and if you stick to your priorities and desires, you should have a great time without getting carried away and doing things you might regret later. One issue here is that you seem to want two things at once - to take advantage of the new opportunity to be a little wild and explore, and to be in a more serious relationship.

Some guys are happy to develop a relationship with a girl who has sex early on, and others won’t want to, and it’s hard to tell in the moment which is which. A compromise approach would be to follow Kathryn’s advice and enjoy exploring all of the sexual territory between flirting and sex before rushing right into the deed. That can be fun and satisfying in and of itself, and it will expand the way you express your sexuality, which will help to keep things intersting & hot when you’re with one person long-term. This will also buy you a little more time to get to know the guy and his sexuality so you’ll know whether or not you’d want something more serious with him. Most guys aren’t going to be totally shocked or ready to write you off if there’s a serious make-out but no sex on the first few dates. If that happens and you never hear from the guy again, then he was only in it for a quick lay, and he has conveniently weeded himself out.

The other thing you might try is actively deciding what you’re up to on any given night you go out. You could say, “Tonight I’m going to explore my sexuality,” or “Tonight I’m really going to look for someone I could be serious about.” Whichever you do, dress and act the part completely. You’ll give off different vibes, attract different types of guys, and probably learn something about yourself and what you enjoy. Have fun!

Comment by Q on 07/21/06.



It depends on the situation, if it’s a great conversation and then sex follows and you don’t stalk me afterwards, sure it could develop into more. If it’ts just wham bam thank you ‘mam and awkward morning conversation, I won’t call you then either. But in general, I think everyone loves a little chase, guys and girls, and if you meet a great girl the chase of getting her into bed is frustrating but sometimes really rewarding. And if you do sleep together, don’t seem desperate, suggest that you hang out soon, but don’t start calling/texting the guy a few times everday until then.

Comment by CVP on 07/21/06.



If you’re not sure how to handle a one-night stand than you can’t be “told” how to handle that emotionally.. so I would suggest to do what I do– hook up as soon as you like with guys that are not long term potential/or not completely attracted to in any way but physically.. and hold out a little more for the guys you like more :)- it works for me!

Comment by Madonna on 07/21/06.



Translation: Can’t let the good ones know you for the slut you really are.

Comment by Anonymous on 07/21/06.



Roofies. You get some lovin’ and he doesn’t know about it.

Comment by Ibid on 07/21/06.



Seriously though, any theories or equasions that we would give you would be rubbish.

If you’re looking for Mr. Right then you’ll want to take a look at the guys you knew before you lost weight. Take a good hard look at those guys you put on the just-friends ladder/list. Take the time to think about them in a new light. Do you want to see any of their penis? …penisses? …penii? The point is they already liked the old you so you know they like you for more than your body. Don’t give me that “but I don’t want to ruin the friendship” crap. Take a serious look at these guys as if seeing them for the first time. Are any of them someone you’d consider dating if you just met them? If you’re not willing to do this then don’t go complaining to them when Joe McStranger from the bar sleeps with you, steals your purse, and wrecks your car.
After you’ve ruled out those guys THEN you can start going to random meat markets and trying to sort out the jerks from the good guys.

Comment by Ibid on 07/21/06.



If a girl slleps with me on the first date, I chalk it up to my tight pimp game. Can’t really blame a girl for falling prey to that, now can I? And if I enjoy the experience plus like her personality, no reason I wouldn’t see her again. I never really understood the logic of pressuring a girl to sleep with you quickly and then faulting her for it. That sounds more like the kind wishy-washy behavior girls usually do…

Comment by Chaco on 07/21/06.



If the guy is someone you wouldn’t ever want a relationship with, go for it. If he’s someone you might want to date, wait a little bit. I know sometimes it’s hard to know the difference. In either case, don’t be needy. If it’s just sex, treat it like it’s just sex, don’t pull a bait and switch and hope he calls you.

Comment by Pagan Marbury on 07/21/06.



kathryn, this is a dating/love-life advice column. please consider it your job to provide thorough advice w/r/t vibrators.

Comment by etcetera on 07/21/06.



If a girl puts out on the first date, it does mean she is EASY. Guys don’t want something that has been passed around a lot, you can’t take that kind of girl home to mom. I totally agree with Kathryn, don’t rush it, explore a little more each time. It is ridiculously stupid to have sex with someone you just met, with no idea who that person is or where they have been. You seem like a respectable girl, so if you make the guy work for it, the right guy will appreciate it.

Comment by Jack on 07/24/06.



I went on a date the other night with a guy I had been talking to for several weeks. It ended with the two of us making out and I ended up giving him oral sex. It’s been a couple of days and I haven’t heard from him. What is an acceptable time for him to call me after something like that before I write him off completely?

Comment by Tiffany on 12/04/06.



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